Women Living Well- the book study: Chapters 1-3 discussion


How was your first week of reading Women Living Well? I can't wait to hear!!

I'll go through chapter by chapter and highlight some of what stood out to me, and then we'll discuss our ideas down in the comments section of this post!

Introduction- The Voices

I love this way of introducing the book- there are so, so many voices that call to us everyday- many from the outside world. For me- voices that seem to distract me are not necessarily the news or people calling me- it's more like the voices of the world telling me "you're not enough."

The voice of Pinterest calls out to me and says you could do more things yourself- like build that gorgeous table or you could make that skirt yourself instead of buying it. Twitter calls me and says you should speak up more and tweet more often. Email calls me and says you should respond more often or more quickly. Magazines and store websites call me and say you should look more like this...

More, more, more of things that will never satisfy me. Ever.

What if instead, I long for more of Jesus, to become more like Him? He is the only one who can still the voices and fill up the calling for more. Like Courtney says- He is the living water- the source of life.

Chapter 1

But how do we become more like Him?

We get to know Him- and Courtney tells us how we can connect with the Lord- by slowing down and getting away from the voices to hear the one Voice that changes our lives. I loved this:
Sweet reader, when we do not slow down and rest, we miss God’s voice {emphasis mine}. We tend to feel overwhelmed, irritable, frustrated, and unappreciated. Emotionally we can lose our way. We have been deceived into thinking that more is better: more food, more clothes, more toys, and more decorations. More, more, more falsely promises to make us happy. Even when we are pursuing something noble, such as serving others or volunteering, the overactivity threatens to bring chaos to our homes and families.
I know for a fact that quiet time with Jesus makes a huge impact in my life. When I go for extended periods of time without being alone with God, I feel anxiety and sinful anger or irritation build in my chest, and I start to let it out on those around me- especially my family- before I even realize what I'm doing. The battle in my spirit goes from trying to seek the Lord for help and ends up with my setting my eyes on silly temporary things like how messy my house is and how big my list of things to do is.

The Word of God is so powerful- and pouring out my heart to God and seeking His will for each day before it begins doesn't always change my circumstances, but it does change my heart. The kids might still make a huge mess with cereal before I can even walk in the kitchen, but when I've met with the Holy Spirit before I go into my day, I seek His help when I feel overwhelmed instead of acting sinfully angry toward my children.  

I loved this section at the end of the chapter on page 11- it rang so true in my experience:
God wants us to drink deeply of His living water every day. He wants us to find refreshment, comfort, and satisfaction through His Word. David used the analogy of a deer: “As a deer pants for flowing streams, so pants my soul for you, O God” (Ps. 42:1). 
Are we thirsting for Jesus, or have we made ourselves so busy that we don’t even know our soul’s greatest need—solitude with God?

Do you want to be a better wife? Study your Bible. Do you want to be a better mother? Study your Bible. Do you want to be a better homemaker? Study your Bible.
It's all in one place- the Word of God. We just have to seek after Him there in it.

Chapter 2

But what if we can't find the time?

I think we all have those hard seasons where time alone is rare! That season has just happened to me this very year. ;)

After 3 years of wonderful longer devotion times alone in the morning, I had a new little one in August... :) And like that, I'm tired and just want to sleep through the morning when Zane is actually really sleeping. He wakes up several times a night to nurse, and I'm a very light sleeper. So quiet times have been random and not always possible after I get up running to get to homeschooling or church most days. 

I miss it so very much- and I'm excited to tell you this week was the first time in forever I got to sit down in the morning and drink coffee! The baby was still sleeping when I woke up, so I had some time alone with Jesus. And that time was so precious to me! So, so sweet.

I've been making it a goal of mine for the last few weeks to do devos at lunch- but long quiet times are still not possible for long with a needy baby and a short homeschooling break. But like Courtney says on page 14- my hunger and thirst hasn't died, and Jesus has thankfully been in my thoughts all through the day.

I love her ideas of memorizing and meditating on the Bible by leaving it open on the table or using sticky notes and index cards with verses throughout the day. Seeing God's Word has always been one of the best ways I've been able to keep my mind on Jesus through the day!

One of my favorite ways to meditate on the Bible is to post it all over my house in different places. Sometimes it's printed out on the fridge, sometimes it's right behind my computer screen on my desk, sometimes the verses are just pictures of my actual Bible on my walls! 

Another way I love to meditate on God is to sing praise songs and have them playing in the background. And did you know you can have the Bible read to you as you work? In the summer mornings, I started playing YouVersion aloud on my phone for the kids to listen to with me- and oddly enough they all became quiet and started listening to chapter after chapter! Just hearing the Word of God spoken can change the attitude of those listening- even your kids. It's crazy!!

I'm convinced that if you ask the Lord to give you a time to get away with Him, He will provide it. I'm convicted this week to ask Him and to seek time alone with Him over choosing the internet or entertainment for myself. I want to walk with the King, more than the world. Every single day.

Here are some resources for meditating and memorizing the Word:

Good Morning Girls Online Bible Study {Women Living Well's sister site}
YouVersion
Hide God's Word {website for Bible memorization}
32 Ways to Memorize Scripture {article}
Printable Scriptures for your walls {click on the picture}:

 

A daily tool for planning daily devotion and meditation in your day- the plan:



Chapter 3

Even when you get alone with God, do you find yourself thinking about other things? I know I do! I have found asking God to protect my thoughts so helpful to fight distraction in prayer. My flesh is weak- and it's always so evident when I can't even pray to my Savior without thinking about what I have to do that day. I've occasionally journaled my prayers, and I'm encouraged by this chapter to try that again!

I love the idea of whispering your prayers for your family as you go about your day! It's such a great way to practice praying without ceasing {1 Thess. 5:17}! Doing the laundry is one time I usually talk to Jesus on a regular basis. I just pray about anything and everything as I sort out the clothes. I've also used these ideas in the past for each task to meditate on God during your daily activities- like praying specific prayers when you're applying makeup! :D I want to add more prayer to my daily tasks!

I find the more I pray and seek God, the thirstier I seem to get for Him. Is that true for you too? It's like He quenches the thirst, and makes it stronger all at the same time. I long for Him- I can't get enough of Him- and yet in seeking Him, I'm so full of thanksgiving and joy because of who He is. But at the same time I want to know Him more- to love Him more- to be with Him in eternity. I feel David when he says he pants for Him- I want MORE of God. Do you know what I mean? For now we see through the glass darkly- but then we will see Him face to face. Oh, that's the day I long for!

I have not fasted in prayer yet- but I can understand why you would and what it would do. Have you ever felt something so heavy, it was constantly on your heart, and you just felt the need to be face down on the ground seeking the Lord because you felt so inadequate and you needed Him so much? I would imagine that would be the time to fast. I'd love to hear your experiences with this- what caused you to fast, and what was the outcome? I'm also reminded of Dr. James Dobson who fasted every Tuesday for the salvation of his children- what a great thing to fast for!

Summary

So to summarize these first three chapters- remember: the voices of the world are constantly calling both you and me to move away from the King. We have to realize that we are in a battle and strive to fix our eyes on Jesus! I love how Courtney gently reminds us to realize that we need a plan in place {p. 17} and the help of our God to meet with Him on a constant basis. :) 

In our homes, we can look for quiet times to escape the noise, but even in the noise of regular life we can still pray for our families, we can study and meditate on God's word, we can memorize it, we can fast in prayer, and we can come before the throne continually throughout our day to quench our thirst for the Living Water. Thank you Jesus, for giving us ways to meet with you through the day!

Oh Father, we love you and praise you for your goodness- thank you for giving us a new heart that seeks you- a heart that longs for your voice out of a million others. It's only because of you that we could ever hear it at all- and you have shown us mercy in giving us salvation by which we can see and hear your voice through faith in your Son. Please hear our cry for you Lord- please help us to fix our eyes on you instead of anything else. Please give us a way to meet with you each day- so that we can find our joy in you and nothing else. We love you and we praise you for your Word. Please let us increase in the knowledge of your will for us and please allow us to shine your glory to those in our homes and around us. I thank you for these women and I pray that you will bless them as they strive to become more like you. We love you Jesus. 

Let's Discuss!

I'd love to hear your thoughts about the first three chapters and your study guide questions in the comments below! Here are my questions for you- but feel free to ask questions or kindly reply and share your thoughts too with other girls in the comments!

Have you made a plan to meet with the Lord each day? 

How do you quiet the voices of the world so that you can stay fixed on Jesus? 

How has your quiet time changed your walk or even your week?

How has not having a quiet time changed your attitude in the past?



here are the previous posts about the WLW study:
Women Living Well: the book study {intro}
Women Living Well book study: Week 1 Assignment and Study Guide


79 comments

jackie said...

I have a front room in the house that no one else uses - has a "splurge" couch that i bought several years ago and a stand right beside it. I keep my Bible and study books on the stand and there is a little drawer in which i keep pens, markers, etc. I work outside the home and try to get up at 6am - by 6:30am I am sitting on the couch and reading my Bible. It's my quiet place. My hubby goes to the basement (his "man cave") and does a similar thing there.

jeana said...

Good morning Mandy! Thank you for putting this together. I have made early mornings downstairs in a cozy little reading corner my place for quiet time. I'm working on limiting my computer time, and I love the idea of saying prayers through chores! I'm definitely more patient and less irritable when I'm walking with the King!

Amy said...

I've absolutely loved the first three chapters of Women Living Well. Shortly before I began reading it, I started making my time with God a priority rather than thinking, "Oh, I'll get that done at some point today." When I think like that, it rarely happens. I normally get up early - around 5 a.m. - to have quiet time and work (I edit an online magazine) - before my four children are awake. Rather than allowing myself to be distracted by Facebook and email, I sit down on the couch next to my sleeping dog and dive right into my devotion. I'm reading through the Bible in one year and also reading about women of the Bible. What a difference it's made to prioritize this quiet time with God! I feel more centered and calm as I prepare for another full day of balancing mothering, caring for the home, homeschooling, and my editorial work.

Traci said...

Hi, Mandy. I'm new to your site and to this study, but I am really excited about being a part of it. Things look a little different for me, because I'm not yet married, but recently engaged, and I've really felt God calling me lately to prepare myself to be a godly wife to my future husband. So when I stumbled upon Courtney's book and your study, it seemed perfect! Since my life is so different (no husband, no kids), it is easy for me to find alone time to study in the mornings - but my problem is with FOCUS! I find myself flitting from one devotional or reading plan to the next and often come out of my time with God feeling scattered and not really 'taking away' anything. I've decided recently to focus my reading and my prayers on ONE passage of Scripture a week, and really dig in to that. My tendency is to try and do everything all at once, but I have to remind myself that there will be time (God willing) to soak up more Scripture later. This week I am focusing on studying and memorizing Proverbs 31 (seems to fit with the overall theme!) I also have found that setting a timer on my phone helps me stay focused on my quiet time with God. When I sit down in my chair to read and pray, I set an alarm to go off in 30 minutes. That helps my brain compartmentalize and realize, THIS 30 minutes is just God time and nothing else. When the clock goes off, I get up and go to my next thing. But I also love the idea of incorporating prayer and Scripture memory into daily activities. I'll have to try that! Thank you for leading this study! :)

Amber Davis said...

I am really liking this book and study! I struggle with using facebook ALOT! I would rather be on facebook than sit and watch tv. Almost 5 years ago we moved to another state. Away from everyone (no family or friends here) and everything that was familiar. I have used it to keep in touch with family and friends. I don't know why I feel that I have to be on it 3 times a day. It is one of those love/hate relationships I have with facebook. I love seeing pictures of family and friends but hate that not once could any of them ever call me or try to include me in any news and I have to be on facebook just to know anything that is going on in our families. I just recently started making it a priority to have quiet time with God. It makes my mornings go so much better. I am going to be trying the less facebook/ more prayer approach to my day because facebook is the loud voice that I want to trade out first in my walk with the King.

Jes said...

Just like the author said, without time alone with God, I cannot hear His voice. And I MISS His voice, His Peace, and the strength and focus that comes from this sacred time. The past few weeks I've returned to a more consistent quiet time in the Word and with my prayer journal. I use my shower time to talk to God, and afterwards, will read a short devotion from Oswald Chambers. I finish the day with a few pages of a biography (currently working through Bonhoeffer) which sort of neutralizes but challenges my mind to ready for sleep. My greatest distraction and the thing I am convinced is hindering my walk most, is the computer. After much conviction, this past week I deactivated my Pinterest account. I recognized that Pinterest, for me, was an escape from reality that had turned into a big problem where I pictured how my kids would remember me from their childhood and the image that would pop into their mind is my face hidden by a computer screen. And I really don't want that. Pinterest has proved to be of some use for me in many ways, especially homeschooling and home management, but at least for awhile, I need to unplug.
The book, so far, has exceeded my expectations and I am looking forward to reading the rest. I only wish I had ordered the paper copy and not the kindle edition (more face to screen time).

Mary Helen said...

This really hit me. About two weeks ago, I watched something on tv that disturbed me so much. I believe because I had not been praying or reading my bible plan, this show came into my day. I believe the devil looks for us when we aren't looking for God. Thank God for never ceasing to call me. My weekend was pretty bad, but I woke up knowing I needed to seek Jesus. I agree about the distractions of computer, tv etc. we need to be careful bc they can really mess with our spiritual health. If you are busy praying, add me to your ever-growing list :)

Anonymous said...

I have really enjoyed this study! This week has been an amazing time in God's presence! I cried through the first 3 chapters because it stirred the longing in the depths of my soul to spend time with my God! I spent a considerable amount of time studying the scriptures in the study guide. I fasted one day & that was incredible! A couple days ago, I felt led to take communion. And oh my, before I could say one word, as I lifted the bread, I felt His presence! It was like He was saying, "I've missed our times together". It seemed like He was waiting for me! My husband sent me a tweet that said, I'm so happy that Jesus is the center of our home! So looking forward to this week's study!

Gale Wilkinson said...

I am a wife and mother, but my sons are adults with children of their own, so I do not have those voices calling me or those demands on my time. I have recently become disabled due to back problems, I worked 27 years as a critical care nurse and back problems can be an occupational hazard. When I worked full time I would read the Bible and do devotions on my days off. But, now I do them as soon as I get up in the morning. I got involved with the Luke study through Good Morning Girls and that was truly the beginning (9/2/2013) of my daily study. I am also doing a Beth Moore study with a group from my church. So, i now spend quiet time with God every morning. I am going through so trials right now and God is with me every step of the way. I feel a closer relationship with my Lord than I ever had in my whole life. This book is so good. I am really enjoying it.

Mandy said...

Oh I'm so thankful you have a quiet spot! It's your woman cave! :) My husband is building me one and I'm so excited! :)

Mandy said...

Good morning Jeana!! Your quiet time sounds awesome! Praise Jesus for sweet corners! Would you mind sharing your plan for limiting computer time? I know it would help many of us to get ideas if you're comfortable!

Mandy said...

Yay!! I love that you're an early bird! Isn't it crazy how it changes your day! I'm always amazed!!

mom1093 said...

This really hit me! I am a mom to 3 with a boyfriend of 18 yrs. I don’t know why we haven’t married but it has been weighing on my heart a lot lately. I keep having a feeling we need to make that final step. I started talking to my boyfriend & he is feeling the same. We have been talking about getting married before the end of the year. I just keep having this weigh heavily on my heart. I have not been active in church, we do go once in awhile, but I haven’t missed a week in the last 3 mths. I have also been doing the Luke study with GoodMorningGirls. I keep feeling this calling & I need to figure out what it is He wants me to be doing. I know I need to make that quiet time to be able to hear him. Thank you for doing this study!

debrah said...

Here's another way to memorize Scripture http://scripturetyper.com/ ScriptureTyper. h/t Pam Gillaspie :)

Mandy said...

Oh I like your timer idea! And focusing on one passage is great too! I'd love to hear how you're studying it if you mind sharing? What's helped you? Do you break it down verse by verse?

Mandy said...

I'm with you Amber! Facebook is like a frenemy! Where do you live now?

Anonymous said...

I am loving this book alot. I have to say my quite time has not bee consistent, more lack thereof than the actual time spent at my savior's feet. I would love to have a place where I can go and spend time with my savior that was just for me. The voices that are calling me have definately shifted in the past three years. I am a wife, mother of an adult daughter who has just graduated College and it out on her own with a new job herself. But 3 years ago we lost my father in law to a very aggressive brain cancer and my husband and I were thrust into the caring of his disabled mother. She has been in our home for 3+ years now and it has been quite a difficult transition. It has definately effected my walk with the Lord and my quie time. I want to spend more time at the feet of my savior but lack the discipline to make it happen on a consistent basis.

I am enjoying this book and it is encouraging me to want to develop that time spent with the Lord.

Amanda said...

Good Morning!

I was finding it hard to find quiet time to myself to spend with God. My 8 month old daughter has been teething so naps have been a fight and not lasting very long recently. After I committed to studying this book and trying to get closer to God through prayer and His Word, I prayed that I would just find the time. I believe God answered my prayer..almost every morning since I started this book (well, 3 days anyways!), God has allowed me to have quiet time downstairs on my couch with the sun beaming in through the window to study His Word and this devotional book during my daughter's nap time, which are (hopefully) seeming more consistent now! I like to think of this as an answer to prayer! Courtney has allowed me to open up my eyes more to just how important quiet time with God is. Especially in the business of being a wife and mother - quiet time is almost non-existent! Looking forward to reading more and discussing too!

Stephanie Fereday Liebert said...

Good morning! I have only in the last couple of months really started to spend quiet time with the Lord. I grew up attending Catholic school, going to mass and reading with my family, but when I got out on my own I rarely picked up my Bible. I still pray and attend church but I felt like something was missing. I cried out to God to show me what I needed to do. Wow! He really answered my prayer. I opened Facebook and I saw that Peak313 was having a challenge. I decided to do it. I got connected with a group of ladies who were doing the same thing. We motivated one another to exercise and memorize scripture verses. Though that challenge recently ended, we are continuing it. I do not always get the "quiet time" I would like. I started homeschooling my daughter this year (age 10) and I also have an almost 17-month-old son who keeps me on my toes. In addition to that I teach a couple of college classes online. But I slip in time when I can and also leave my Bible open on the kitchen bar so I can glance at it throughout the day. On the fridge I have a calendar posted where I keep track of my workouts and write my weekly scripture. Hanging next to the calendar is a copy of your printable, The Plan, which is another great place for me to write my scripture and reflect on my quiet thoughts. Spending time with Lord has spilled over into every aspect of my life. At night my husband and I have discussions while lying in bed and he gives me his take on the readings. My daughter and I exercise together and memorize the verses. I am overall a happier person and feel like I am doing better as a mom and wife. Thank you for doing this study! I love the book and the wonderful insight I am gaining!

Anonymous said...

I'm thankful that you're doing this study! I read the first three chapters, but have not started my quiet time yet. I plan on starting this evening. I have a chair near my entryway that never gets used. However, I need to plan a time. It's so hard with everything going on. It would probably be best if I could get up earlier in the morning before work, but it's all I can do to get to work on time as it is. Anyway, I'm loving the book.

Mandy

Jennifer Neer said...

I am so thankful for the meditating on scriptures part. I have felt a new hunger to go deeper in understanding what the scripture is saying. Psalm 63 was a favorite this week. I even pulled out a commentary. Just love how David in a desert without food or water just hungered and thirst for our LORD why because he had seen Him and experienced Him and wanted that more than life. This has really helped me to keep the word in my heart even after the written homework was done.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this study. My life, heart needed it.
I am so thankful that you shared about the YouVersion app. I am going to try and download this for my phone and try it with my three girls.

The biggest challenge I face right now is that I work outside the home 30 hours average a week. Taking care of a house, my husband and three little girls as well as an elderly father.
What I do to make sure I spend time with the Lord each morning is I joined a group called HelloMornings and I became an AC captain. That way I have to check in each morning for each of the ladies I am leading along.
I also do GMG studies but I am only a group member to keep me accountable.

M. Waters

OhioMomPatriot said...

I have extended my praying to all my housework. I was praying as I fixed food for my family or when they leave the house, but the praying through the day has really help me find peace. I don't find myself being contentious about the constant stream of laundry or the dirty hand towel or tools everywhere but the toolbox. I find ways to pray positive for the people in my life and I have been happier this week.

Anonymous said...

I am a very busy person as we all are. I work two jobs getting up at 5:00 am and getting to bed at 11:30 p.m. I have tried all sorts of ways to fit in my time with God. I have found that the best time is first thing in the morning before anyone else is up. I have a basket which I have filled with my bible, kindle, the bible study I am working on a journal and my agenda, a pen, warm socks, and a fuzzy blanket. I get up, feed my cats (or they will distract me) and make a cup of coffee and spend 45 to 60 minutes studying, reading and praying. I find the days I do this I have a much better attitude as I go about my day. Little things don't seem to bother me and I can find good in the people around me. It is a must to start my day.

Karen said...

I am definitely pulled into the facebook world and my phone during the day. At night I sometimes find myself looking at the clock and realizing that 45 minutes went by in an instant and it was a complete waste of time on the computer. That time could have been best used doing something else. It could have been used to pray, meditate or just have some quite time to recharge my soul. It is so hard though. At the end of the day I just want to shut my brain down and not think. So I think that I will have to force myself to get up early before the kids (they get up at 6am!!!) at about 5:30, make a cup of coffee, and start a prayer journal. I have never done anything like this but this book is inspiring me to spend some time alone with God and to become a better woman, mother, wife, and friend. I think also having a passage or psalm for the week to read each day and put if up all over the house will help as a reminder that there are greater things out there, there is help out there, that I am a strong woman....and that I am not alone in my journey. This is going to be a challenge for me but I will do it! Even if I can start with just 3 mornings a week of journaling and then doing the 4 task prayers each day along with memorizing my weekly passage that will be everywhere...then I will feel successful and be closer to God......which is all I want.

Anonymous said...

My husband is finishing up his last years at school for pharmacy as well as working full time as a pharmacy intern, and I am a SAHM mom of two little boys ages 3 months and 2 years. I don't have a lot of "alone" time with just myself so I have found that the prayers while doing my everyday tasks has been the most useful for getting some prayer time with our Father. When I'm feeding my youngest I can pray for thankfulness (the food that we've been provided) or I can pray for more perspective when I'm not feeling the most grateful for what I have.... the tasks like dishes, laundry etc...can all be made easier if instead of focusing on what I don't want to do (who wants to mate socks, honestly!) I can instead do the activity while turning my focus towards God: mindfully praying. So, I really appreciated the study guide having me write out the tasks and some corresponding prayers. If I do get some alone time it's usually in the bathtub - where I can take my Kindle and read/meditate on the word of God while having some down time: kind of like a refresh and a reboot and a relaxation moment all in one!!

Anonymous said...

This study has been a real blessing! I am also currently studying Becoming a Woman of Simplicity by Cynthia Heald with a group of friends, and I can't believe how much the two have in common! Obviously, God wanted me to be working on this area of my life! I am a stay-at-home mom to 4 amazing kids, ages 9, 6, 3 and 2, and a farmer's wife (which means a lot of hours without a hubby around since it is harvest time!) I have never been very good about finding that quiet time...excuse after excuse, disruption after disruption would frustrate me to quit. For the last week, I have committed to spending the first part of naptime for my little ones to my quiet time. It has been great so far! I only missed one day, and I was able to fit my time in before bed. I know that the Lord is calling me to abide in Him and continue to grow closer each day. No excuses! I have also been praying during chores, and meditating on more scripture through my day. I know it helps me to be a better, more relaxed mother. My next hurdle will be to limit my social media time...being home all day can sometimes become lonely. My 2 and 3 year old are great conversationalists, but an adult to talk with (or look at their life on Facebook) is sometimes appealing. It still doesn't leave me fulfilled as I know only time with God can. Looking forward to more of Courtney's book and growing in my walk!

Anonymous said...

I have really needed this study. Thank you so much for starting it. At the beginning of the year, I committed to reading my Bible in the year. So far, I have kept up with that committment, and am so glad that I did as my husband and I have been having some marital struggles. He has fallen away from the Lord, and this book is showing me how I need to pray for him. Since reading Chapters 1-3, I have been doing my Bible reading in the morning where as before, I was reading it when I had time. I am hoping that this will be an eye opening experience to stay committed to Him by having a period during the day, where I can sit and be in His Word. I can't wait to read the next assignments, and find what the Lord has for me in them!

Thank you so much for starting this study Mandy!

Sophie from France said...

I pray in the morning and at night before sleeping, when I 'm in bed ... but I feel it's not enough. I plan to get up early and pray in the morning in the kitchen, before the children wake up .
The voices that distract me are from my family, and the daily chores (You know just like Alice in Wonderland, "drink me" or "eat me", except that here they say" wash me", "clean me", "puts me in the closet" ... I find it hard to resist , but when I get to pray regularly in the day, I am more patient , better mood ... the Holy Spirit is really works on me!
For me, it's very difficult to go to Church on Sunday morning: there are always a thousand other things to do, take care of children , or it' s too early (8:45 am) and we aren't ready , or we have to go see family...It's very hard to say "I have an appointment with God this morning in church and it's not optional"...
How do you manage to go to the church on Sunday? When you prepare the sunday meal ? Saturday night ? Sunday early ? Are you going with the kids? Here it's a bit complicated because nothing is organized for them and the offices are not very dynamic (I'm Catholic) ...
I'm really happy to be able study with you, even though I'm veeeeeery far from Texas ! At home it's evening, I would not drink coffee while i'm reading you, but tomorrow morning (when it's 2:00 am in Texas and 9:00 am in France), I drink one and I think of you!

Caci Nance said...

I work outside the home, have 2 boys, and a dairy farmer for a husband so I don't get much quiet time at home however I get lots of it at work! I have set aside my morning break as my quiet time with the Lord and any time I am pumping (I am still nursing the baby). In addition I either "talk" to him or listen to his word on my commute. I agree the more I spend time with the Lord the more I desire him. To quiet the voices of the world is difficult. I have to force myself to focus by putting the phones on Do Not Disturb and muting my computer. I have found that when I don't get enough time with the Lord I am very cranky and snap at folks much quicker. I love using my daily chores around the house as a reminder to pray! Can't wait to dig deeper!

Caci Nance said...

Mandy I feel you!! It's a challenge for me to get to work on time and I get up by 5 a.m. most days!! That gives me 3 hours to get to work!

Caci Nance said...

What type of farming does your husband do? We are dairy & beef farmers...so I feel you about being home alone at times. We have been chopping silage and baling hay for a while now...it makes for some very long days!

Mandy said...

I will Mary! thank you for sharing your heart!

Mandy said...

Oh I'm so glad! I love that you do GMG! What Beth Moore study are you doing?

Mandy said...

oh thank you for sharing! debrah!

The Thoughts That I Think said...

Hi Mandy,
I found your site through a friend on Facebook and I was immediately drawn in by the title of “finding joy in God” and ordered the book within a few minutes. I am married and have two kids; one left for college this last fall and I am homeschooling my daughter (9th grade).
Getting time alone hasn’t been an issue for a few years now because I am an early riser and no one else is.  But I have been struggling with getting anything out of it. I have been completely distracted by voices of, “you have all this to do, you need to check ___”, and SO many other things!
I have been having my phone next to me and have my “to-do” list open, so anything that is really important I can open the phone and see the list only, write down what is distracting me, and get back to my devotion. Often I find that I don’t use it anymore because it doesn’t really matter that much, it was just a distraction! I also keep it face down and on silent, so I won’t be tempted to take a quick look.
I know that I am a different person when I don’t have time with God. I even told my kids, I need this time because you don’t want me here without Him.  My marriage was really bad before we started going to church and got saved and it improved, but you know how little things bother you? Well, since “things” weren’t resolved and my attitude was still not godly, I would really have to fight not getting upset about the little things I had to do and just irritated me; unfortunately I was focusing on how much I wasn’t appreciated and other negative things. I knew it needed to change and I looked up verses to memorize while I did those simple tasks. It made a world of difference in me!!
I definitely love the idea of having certain household tasks to make me think of specific things or people to pray about. I am definitely going to be adding that to my day and looking forward to it!

Mandy said...

EEEEEE!! I love hearing that! I believe with all my heart God will answer if you ask Him, and your testimony proves it! :D yayyyy!

Mandy said...

Oh I'm so glad that praying through your tasks changed your day! I know how you feel about chores- it's so awesome to hear how setting your eyes on Jesus has changed your perspective!! And I love, love, love the bath time with God's Word! It's so good to have that!!

Mandy said...

oh the internet does the same for me! I am so excited to hear you your quiet time goes! Oh dear Father, please bless Karen with the chance to get alone with you this week. :D

Mandy said...

Naptime is such a great time to get away for a little while! Do your older ones take naps too or have a qiuet time? I'm so excited to hear how it goes this week too!

Mandy said...

I can't wait to hear how your morning study goes! Our church starts at 10 each week and it's very hard for me! I have to lay out all of the Sunday clothes and bathe the children on Saturday night, and sometimes we go out for lunch or make sandwiches or simple food for lunch to keep it easy. Our kiddos stay in the service with us, and it last about 1.5 hours. I'm so glad you're doing this with us! :) And we must have coffee together at the same time someday!! hehe!

Beth said...

I love the idea of memorizing scripture while exercising!! That would be something great for me to do while I'm on the dreaded treadmill (another topic entirely!). :) Thanks!

Mandy said...

Oh my, that is so exciting!!! Praise Jesus!!!

Mandy said...

I love HelloMornings!! It sounds like you are doing an amazing job with all you have to balance, girlie!

Aimee Niblack said...

I'm really excited about this book and have been given plenty to think and pray about in the first 3 chapters. I am a military wife and SAHM to 4 kids (8,6,4,20mos). I also homeschool, so it keeps me busy. I find myself wasting time on facebook and emails with links. I usually spend time with God each day, but often it's not very quiet as I have a hard time getting up early (or going to bed early). I also tend to read vs study and meditate on His Word. I've been really feeling that I need to do more of those things and really know His word better and bring it more into everyday life. I loved her study tips and how she prays during specific tasks. I also love how she points you to the Bible the whole time. I'm excited to grow in my walk with God through this study.

Lindsay S. said...

When I do a study, I like to read with a highlighter in hand so that I an come back to quotes that really spoke to me for discussion time or for personal reflection. While I was reading the first 3 chapters, I was highlighting A LOT. It is as if this book has been written specifically for me and for the time and season that I find myself. I have a 10 month old daughter who is into EVERYTHING, doesn't take very long daytime naps and still does not sleep through the night. *sigh* While I love her little precious self, she drains me. I feel like I have less to give to my husband because she takes so much. On the other hand, I waste a lot of time throughout the day online. My free time could be spent in much better, more rewarding, more God-honoring ways. Thank for you for pointing that out and giving me a model to follow to get back on track with my alone time with the Lord.

Sarah Todoroff said...

Hi! My name is Sarah and I found this through fb. The book has proved to be very challenging for me. I have really had to face what I do throughout the day and how I can more efficiently use my time. I am a wife of 2 years with no kids yet, but am hoping to have some in the future. I tend to think that I will have more time to be with God when I am at home, however just from skimming these comments I can tell that is not the case. I know that I need to practice good habits now, so I will hopefully be able to stick with them in the future :)

Kimberly @ www.birdiegirlquilts.com said...

Hi Mandy...I am new to your blog. It it was by no accident that I came across it last week. After reading about this study, I quickly called my local book stores and thankfully found one book left at the last store I called...also no accident. The Lord knew I needed this study and I am so grateful to be participatiing in it. I have been a homemaker for the past 17 years and have homeschooled my two daughter's from kindergarten on up for the past 11 years. I have always loved what I do, but in recent years find myself feeling weary and at a loss for the joy I once had. There are many other issues as well, but at the root of them all is the emptiness I feel inside. I have such a deep need for solitude in my life...for time to sit quietly and still my thoughts so I can hear the voice of God and work through whatever might be going on. I need this daily, and I need one day a week where I can steal away with God for several hours. When I don't take this time for myself, I am a perimenopausal mess!!! There's no sugar coating it. I need Jesus and I need Him everyday. So this week, I have been rising early (6:30 a.m.) for quiet time. I know from experience that if I don't do this early in the day, it won't get done. There are many other things I could say about this wonderful book, but for the sake of time and space, I will simply say that I am thoroughly enjoying this study. So thank you! Be blessed.

Angieleigh said...

I am pretty sure that I've told you several times that it's no coincidence that I found your blog a year or so ago and have been following it obsessiv...I mean, whenever I see that you've posted!

I had turned away from Jesus not long after my grandmother died back in 2000, but a year ago after I found you through another blogger {her name is Kayla Aimee, funny story real quick: She's going to Allume this year and when I saw the website you were there...so I mentioned that several of my favorite bloggers were going to be there and that you were on the front of the website and she was like, "HER HAIR! I REMEMBER HER BECAUSE OF HER GORGEOUS HAIR!" Anyway, it amused me and warmed my heart because through her I found you and through you both I have found Jesus once again} and through watching the Duggar family on TV {Satan desperately tried to get me to not watch them, to ridicule them like the world, but oh, Michelle's strong faith in Jesus melted the chains and I pushed Satan right out of the way!}

Oh, so yes...the study. See, this is why I need it, I get distracted very easily! ;)

Last night I was doing my A Confident Heart bible study with Proverbs 31 Ministries and when I opened up my Bible it was to Psalm 63 {it was referenced in that study as well}. Tonight I open it up again to read Scripture and it's Psalm 63. I see the the Scriptures at the top of the Bible Study Sheet and what's listed? Psalm 63! I have memory issues, but I know that God really, really wants me to know that he sees me thirsting for Him, that my soul is longing for Him, and that I need to MAKE time, not find time. I have decided on several times just in case something doesn't work out {I have some debilitating health issues so I know I can't always have things set in concrete, so I have to allow myself a second chance instead of beating myself up for not getting up, or being here, etc.} - early mornings when I get my teen boys up for school, around 7 to 8 at night when the boys are ensconced in their rooms doing whatever boys do, and at bedtime instead of watching TV. I had just loaded this page and felt the need to spend time in prayer and just listening while my cat perched on my chest and fell asleep...I was in that awake, but not really stage and just FELT so much peace. Then my husband called and I was instantly alert, instantly filled. I don't know why I didn't pay attention and do this before!

I battle depression, bipolarism, and borderline personality disorder...the more I soak in God's Word, the less anxiety I feel. The less anxiety I feel, the lighter my shoulders feel. The lighter I feel, the less the enemy can penetrate my mind and fill me with sorrow and chain me down.

I do pray often during the day, but now I know that during all those times I find myself thinking of the billion things I should or could do, I can be praying and spending time with my Father.

Thank you so much, Mandy, for reaching out to us and taking the time to do this study with us!

Melia Mae Quilting said...

I must say that I am really loving this book. I have needed something like this. I must admit it has been years and I do mean years since I have done devotionals. I have 2 little girls and it is just so hard for me to get time alone to do much of anything let alone go to the bathroom. But these first 3 chapters really showed me that I need to do that and make it a priority. If not for my relationship with God, maybe my sanity will improve a little as well:) Thanks for leading something like this. Hopefully I can follow through and keep up with it!

Karen said...

Thank you for your sweet blessing, Mandy....May you also find the time you need for Jesus...

Theresa Sirois said...

I am chiming in late, sorry, but I loved the first week! I just finished leading a study group about Jennifer Smith's book Wife After God, and this book is a GREAT companion to that! I love the breadth the book has! I LOVE the ideas of meditating over different verses each day! I used our chore board in our kitchen (since none of my kids are doing chores anyway LOL) and wrote a verse up for the week: Psalm 128:3-5 and have been working at memorizing it all week- reading it each time I pass by. I love you "plan" printable above too -that is great! I find I would definitely do great with morning prayer time- but my exhaustion from 3 young kiddos and 1 older one is just still too much- so I find nighttime at the kitchen table, like right now :) works once everyone is in bed.

Misty aka Elvisgirl said...

Hey, Sophie! I know you were asking Mandy, but I noticed your comment, as I was scrolling the page & I remember those Sundays with my little ones in church. I wonder if you can pack a special bag for them? That is what I did, with quiet toys (like a doll, or little car, and coloring books, and just blank pieces of paper for drawing). My kids and I also learned basic sign language, so that we could communicate quietly during church. Our church had programs/nursery for the kids, but we did not put them in those unless they chose to go. I much prefer them to be with me (even now). :) My husband has been treating me lately (as this summer has been especially stressful) and taking us out to eat on Sundays, but I love using my crock pot for meals on Sunday. That way lunch is warm and ready (or nearly... waiting for a salad, or pasta to be made) when we get home. I put meatballs and sauce in for spaghetti. I put chicken breasts and seasoning in for chicken tacos. Just some ideas. I have some recipes that I like on my blog (which I have neglected lately): www.thebasicsoflife-elvisgirl.blogspot.com

Misty aka Elvisgirl said...

I am so enjoying going through this book with your blog and study. I have always seen that I feel so out of control (well, I should... because God should have the control, but I think you all know what I mean)... just like the world is crashing down on me when I don't get in my quality time with God. I haven't filled out all the study questions from last week yet. I just read them & thought about them. I need to make a plan and stick to it. My sister and I were talking today about how the world has changed & I had to tell her how Courtney pointed out that the world is 24 hrs now and making time for what's really important is just even more challenging. I was remembering the first time I did an online study like this and the good friend I made in cyber space. Anyway, thanks for doing this!

Anonymous said...

Hi Mandy,

This is my first bible study and I am so glad that I came across your post on Facebook. I have recently had the need to rid myself of all the negativity in and around my life and have been spending more time reflecting on what really is important. The voices for me are the computer, TV and cell phone. I really enjoyed the first 3 chapters and can't wait to read the next 3. I too get distracted by my "to do list" or worries while I am trying to spend time with God. Saying my prayers while doing my chores is a great way to add more time with God. That was something I tried this last week or at least 2 days, since my "to do list" and worried got in the way again. Thank you again and can't wait for more.

Crystal Glause said...

I am new to this site! I am loving everything there is about WLW... God has directed me here! I started reading the bible the last week of September. I have never read the entire bible, just scriptures here and there. I am a devout believer, follower of Christ and go to church about every Sunday. I grew up in a family where I had hardly to never heard the word of God nor hardly ever went to church. But I had always had God in my heart! I taught myself the Lord's prayer at a young age and I was baptized at 13. I do not let my past control me, I do not stress over things that are out of my control. I am now 33, a wife and mother of 3 beautiful daughters. My husband has been a HUGE blessing and since we have been together (12 years) I have gone to his church, we pray individually and as a family, I got confirmed and all 3 of our daughters were baptized there and our oldest daughter just got confirmed this past Spring! God has blessed me beyond measure and since I have started reading the bible, it has really opened my eyes to my broken world. I feel at peace and am learning great things about Jesus everyday! I would love to read your book. I meet with my pastor every Wednesday to go over what I read and if I have any questions. I am also very interested in your online bible study. When you put your trust in God and make Him your primary focus, great things happen. I am humble and very proud that God has lead me down the right path, even when at times I strayed away, but always found my way back to Him. Thank you for this site. God bless you!!!

Crystal Glause said...

Sorry, I meant BH (Biblical Homemaking)!

Sophie from France said...

Thank you for sharing! I'll try the special bag next sunday and I'll tell you...I note the meal ideas and i'm going to your blog for more recipes! Thanks!

Sophie from France said...

Mandy, OK for coffee! At 9:00 am for you, it's 16: pm for me: it's a good time to share a cup of coffee (until you come to drink in my kitchen one day ...?)! and thank you for your testimony about the sunday morning, I feel less alone and miserable with my difficulties to go to church! I'm so glad to study with you!!

jackie said...

You're right! It is my woman cave (never thought of it that way:)).

jackie said...

I have the same problems sometimes - how to focus? i have found that writing in my journal - what the verse means to me, how it will help me today,...slows me down and increases my focus.

Christine said...

Oh, I remember those days when my little girl was fresh into this world and it was a struggle to replace in my hands a sleeping baby with my bible. Although it took up so much of my day to nurse her, those were the most nourishing times for me, rocking back and forth, touching her soft skin, and studying God's Word. I wouldn't trade those moments of solitude with the Lord for anything. Now that she's older, I find I have to wake up before the sun (and the family) to get my quiet times in. Even on weekends, I'm up before anybody else, sometimes while it's still dark, to sip my warm mug of coffee while I sit in the Lord's presence and listen to His instruction. My voices of distraction call me constantly - the beeping blue light on my phone, the laptop I type on always has a new tab calling my name to check Facebook just one more time, oh, and there's that book I've been meaning to read....but I don't beat myself up over it. I gently redirect my focus on what's I know needs to be done if I want to have a fulfilled and surrendered day to our Lord.

Beth said...

First off, thanks so much for doing this Bible Study, Mandy!! I'm really enjoying it!! I am a mother of 3 little ones and, like many of you, struggle with finding a quiet time with God each day. Only 3 chapters in and this book has given me some wonderful ideas to help me improve!! Most helpful of all, I've prayed over many toys and dirty dishes this week! :)

Amber Davis said...

Just outside of Jackson, TN. We moved here from Muskegon, MI.

Traci said...

Jackie - I do the same thing! Journaling has been a HUGE part of my quiet times with God for the past several years. Before I decided to focus exclusively on one passage, I was reading a One-Year Bible plan, and I would first read it and then close the Bible and write down everything I remembered from what I'd just read, sort of like doing a little 'book report' on that day's reading. It helped solidify the information in my mind and to recognize what I was absorbing and remember and what details escaped my mind as soon as I closed the Bible. I found that is a really effective way to increase my Bible knowledge and to familiarize myself with the people and stories found in it.
As for studying a specific passage, that is something I'm still new to. Initially, I was just working on memorizing the passage - which I do by writing it out repeatedly - and meditating on it. I also downloaded Courtney's Proverbs 31 e-book yesterday, and I love how it's broken down to focus on one verse per day in depth! I used it yesterday and today and I love how it helps me come up with action steps to take the verses and really apply them to my life. So that's what my 'studying' consists of right now!
Oh, and I love the printable you posted to help organize quiet time thoughts, Mandy! I want to start incorporating that or something similar to it in my time as well. I'm so thankful for all the resources and the community this site provides! :)

Julie Miotke said...

I am new to this site. I found it through friends on FB and like many other comments, this study is coming at just the right time in my season of life. I have 2 sons, 15 & 18. One is off to college this year. I also have a step-son, 16, which is a challenge.
I loved the first 3 chapters of the book! I truely want a deeper relationship with God. The part that really struck me was on page 8...."Sadly, we begin to act like the rest of the world, grasping for joy in things & activity. Eventually, we find a slow moment-but rather than hearing God's voice, we only hear the voice beckoning us to get moving again."
Now that my kids are more independent and I have more time to spend with God, I feel guilty! Others ask what I do all day since I don't have a job. I feel like they are judging me and my life, but I know what God is telling me and I shouldn't let other people/voices sway me into something else. I love quiet time with Jesus! I know it refreshes me and I can tell when I don't get enough. I start comparing & doubting myself. I begin to focus on "I" rather than Jesus. Staying in God's Word helps me get through the day. I just need to remind myself of this day after day. So thank you & praise God for this Bible Study!

Mandy said...

Oh I'm in love with TN! Do you guys have a good church there?

Mandy said...

oh that's so good!! I'm so proud of you for pulling the plug on Pinterest for now! that's awesome!!

Mandy said...

that's so good that you're setting aside a time at work! I love that you are using what time you have! that's wonderful!

Mandy said...

:D I love how you told your kids that! I need that time too! It's so cool that you can recognize a bad attitude in yourself and use Scripture to fight it- that is a blessing to you and your family! so good!

Doug and Jessica said...

Hi everyone! So fun to be a part of this study with y'all! My least favorite household chore is grocery shopping. To combat my bad attitude I've started listening to the Word on my iPod as I shop or a sermon. I don't have kids (would love to get pregnant any day now!!) so I shop alone. So this may help some of you but those of you who shop with little ones this tactic may not work so well.

Also was curious about your thoughts on Courtney's discussion of pacify and satisfy. 1 Timothy 4:4 says, "For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving," Where do you find the line of enjoying things God created verses allowing them to falsely satisfy you? Hope that makes sense :)

Lisa Muck said...

I have been lighting my candle every morning and as I walk by it, I say a quick prayer. Another thing I've started to do is when I get up in the morning instead of opening up Facebook, I grab my bible and read the chapters for today. It has made such a difference!! I think I've answered all the questions with just this one statement.

EsposaEnamorada said...

Hello Everyone!
Reading the first 3 chapters gave me a lot of food for thought. I got married this past summer and it is my goal to make sure God is at the core of our lives, this will help us build a strong marriage and provide for our family. By marrying my husband I inherited a wonderful daughter, so I have been adjusting to not only being a wife but become an "instant" mom. I also work full-time as a teacher and becoming more familiar with my new home. I moved to a new state, so I miss my family very much.

As a child, my parents taught me to love God, but because they were of different religions, I did not go to a church regularly, so reading the Bible was not something I necessarily learned to do until now. However, I prayed endlessly with my mother everyday and have always had strong faith and relationship with God. I am trying to find ways to learn about reading, understanding and applying the Bible's word to my life. So far, what I am finding most useful is to focus on 1-2 scriptures a week. I select ones that "speak to me", they can come from the service my pastor referred to at church, one's that are on either of the 2 blogs I follow regularly, etc. I wanted to try to read the Bible in one year, but was completely overwhelmed by it. Especially since I do not know Bible basics like others, it makes me feel embarrassed to have so many questions and not really know who to ask for answers. So by using scriptures that my pastor or someone writes more in depth about it makes it easier for me to understand and make connections.

I think in regards to technology I am more balanced about it, I don't depend on it, except for work. However, now that I have a full home with husband, daughter, dog and job...finding "quiet time" is very hard. Also, my husband travels every week for work, so he is mainly home on the weekends, so sometimes I do the parenting on my own. What I always do is pray first thing in the morning, before my feet touch the ground I have to have my conversation with God, I usually continue praying as I get ready in the shower. I need to know I am starting out my day with God by my side. With playing so many new roles in my life, I know I need him to help me build a family based on his faith and one that is full of love and respect. I also read about God's word at night instead of TV.

I wondered if anyone could recommend a book like these, but made for men? I would love to get my husband something like this. As newlyweds, I can't think of a more perfect time to be more connected to God. That's my story so far, thanks for sharing, sending many blessings to all!

Misty aka Elvisgirl said...

Sophie, I just posted my recipe for chicken tacos. Knowing I've got another reader out there checking on things, I just might take some time to get my "new" posts up.

Latasha Castaneda said...

I really needed this study right now. I found my way back to God a few months ago because my husband and I have been going through problems and I want to be a better mom. I grew up in a broken up and all the stuff that I had been through still lingers with me till this day. I was emotionally abuse and physically abuse by my parents. Even though I had moved out and forgave them so I can move on I still suffer from it. This year my relationship with my husband has got a lot worst and it is both of our faults but its is about 75% mine. About three months ago I told my husband that I wanted to go back to church and have God back into our lives. Since than I have been a little happier and our relationship has gotten a lot better but I do pray for us because I know that once we overcome this little battle right now that we grow more stronger together. My quiet time is mostly at night but I really would like to start doing it in the morning and wake up before my kids so I can start my day quietly with God instead of rushing to change a diaper and feed both of my kids. I also need to avoid those voices like tv, internet and phone because that sometimes distracts me as a wife, mother and with God. I hope by the end of this journey that I can reach some of these goals.

Anna H said...

Hi!
You definitely sound busy! While I don't have any children, I do have a full time job, plus church activities and taking care of a home. It gets overwhelming and I have trouble finding time for God too as I am not a morning person and by the time I get home, I'm exhausted. This book has motivated me too and I realize I have to MAKE time for God, not just hope it happens.

I really wanted to respond to your request for a book for your husband. My husband did a study with his men's group and they used Disciplines of a Godly Man by Kent Hughes and it really changed him and helped with our marriage. I was with my husband for 14 years before God got a hold of both of us and he realized he needed to marry me. We were on the verge of leaving one another but we put God in the middle and He has been there for the past 5 years. It hasn't been easy but we make the effort because we made that commitment to God and one another in our wedding ceremony. One thing that has really helped too is praying with each other before we leave for the day. Even if we are staying with my parents or at a hotel, we pray before we separate for the day. It makes all the difference because if we are in a disagreement or our hearts aren't right, this helps us to make amends and ask for forgiveness each morning.

I hope this helps and I've been praying for the participants in this study, and of course for you too Mandy!! Thank you everyone and I'm looking forward to continuing this study!

mandy hornbeck said...

Good morning Mandy. That sounds so strange because Mandy is my name too...lol. Anyways, I came across your page on Facebook this morning and started reading. I thought to myself "oh my goodness ! This is just what I needed !" Thank you for taking the time to do this. With 5 children I can't imagine how challenging this must be ! I really enjoyed reading your posts and this summary of your book study. Thanks again, like I said this is just what I needed this Sunday morning

EsposaEnamorada said...

Thank you so much for your response, I so appreciate it! I will definitely be looking into the book you recommended for my husband. I'm fortunate that he is a God loving man, and he has even read some of the WLW book with me, because some of the topics I think are universal. But I wanted to see what was out there for men. I will keep you and all in my prayers! THANK YOU ANNA!

Angela said...

I am also a facebook "junkie" I have an iPad which is with me most of the day and I'm always checking facebook seeing whats new and whosaid what and who posted what. If i would take that time to check facebook and instead open the bible and read a quick verse or do as the book says with memorizing a bible verse i may be ore productive :)